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Scanning through this weeks MCN I see that they've pitted an ABS CB1000R against a Speed Triple and the new BMW K1300R naked. I haven't read it properly but they do say that the ABS brakes don't have the bite of the non-ABS, so it seems harsh pitting it against the Speed Triple, which has Brembo radial callipers on it. I can't understand why any dealer (or Honda) thought it was a good idea to provide that bike.

Anyway, the verdict says that they all win. The Honda because it's just so much fun and easy to ride, the Triumph because it's a hooligan, and the BMW because of the power (it's a 1300 inline 4 remember).

After the slating (we think, after translating) that Trevor Franklin gave the CB1000R when it hit the roads, I was surprised to (scan) read a positive MCN review about the CB1000R. Interesting that they're not punting the Speed Triple as the be-all and end-all of super nakeds any more too.

In slightly related news, they also tested the ABS Blade against a normal Blade, with members of the public riding, and found that they were stopping over 14 meters quicker on the ABS bike. Bear in mind that the callipers are exactly the same as the ones on the non-ABS CB1000R, but with the added assistance of Honda's ABS and eCBS system. I for one hope that Honda replace the current CB1000R ABS brakes with this same system in the next couple of years
 

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Don't know, didn't read the article, just scanned some of the image captions. I'll read it properly later
 

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All the Demo bikes are ABS. If they just got one from a dealer for the test it would have been the ABS version.

They sit on the fence and like all 3 for different but the Honda is rated best for handling :thumbup
 

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Like most road tests you have to read more between the lines than what's in them!
CB1K certainly came out tops on this test in my mind, the most easiest to ride as Ant points out, which is what you want when on the Cat & Fiddle Road! Interesting comment on the Triumph being fazed on tight 2nd gear corners! Thought it was touted as the dogs whatnot in the handling dept!
 

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Yeah i wondered how they didn't rate it higher from what they wrote about it.
Only equal with the other two but out handles the Triumph and at least matches the engine of the BMW.
That'll be a win then.
 

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Like most road tests you have to read more between the lines than what's in them!
CB1K certainly came out tops on this test in my mind, the most easiest to ride as Ant points out, which is what you want when on the Cat & Fiddle Road! Interesting comment on the Triumph being fazed on tight 2nd gear corners! Thought it was touted as the dogs whatnot in the handling dept!
Test rode the triple after i did the CB,,, IMO the honda beat it in to many areas to make it a contender for me, best 2 things about the speed is 1, looks, BUT thats in the eye of the beholder,, 2, the engine, it sounds great, esp on the overrun,,, but now I've changed my can it dont matter... :thumbup
 

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I don't think MCN will ever let the CB1000R win against anything; not after the original review, which we all know was crap (sorry Trev)
 

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I don't think MCN will ever let the CB1000R win against anything; not after the original review, which we all know was crap (sorry Trev)
Don't think MCN will ever let the Speed Triple lose to anything Japanese either.
 

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I guess that is the reason that forums like this are so popular.

People seem to be cottoning on to the fact that there is more often than not some bias in publication reviews.

I'm not saying that most of us on here don't have a mildly tainted positive view of the CB being owners and all. It is just that we seem to call a spade a spade (as opposed to a stick with some flat metal on the end) and tend to answer honestly if a question is asked.
 

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True, write ups on here against other bikes have been pretty good with no real bias one way or the other, rather highlighting the best and worst.

I have seen a few answers to people enquiring about the CB compared to over bikes and been happy with the honest answers being given.

MCN and other magazines are there to promote hype, unfortunately when you put a full on sports rider onto a bike like a CB they can tend to compare to the wrong end of the market. At least this review in MCN seems a more honest opion of all 3.
 

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At least this review in MCN seems a more honest opion of all 3.
Agreed, i enjoyed it :thumbup
 

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True, write ups on here against other bikes have been pretty good with no real bias one way or the other, rather highlighting the best and worst.

I have seen a few answers to people enquiring about the CB compared to over bikes and been happy with the honest answers being given.

MCN and other magazines are there to promote hype, unfortunately when you put a full on sports rider onto a bike like a CB they can tend to compare to the wrong end of the market. At least this review in MCN seems a more honest opion of all 3.
Ditto the full on sports rider bit, so many reports hang on who got round a lap oomph secs faster :blah :blah , so often the real issues of day to day riding are over looked. but at least in the MCN bike reviews; on their site does say that in the real world the CB trumps the Speed triple!
 

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I have to say that the MCN ratings do not add up and suggest some bias or a poor set of criteria to which to calculate an overall score
the following is how MSN rate the speed triple and the CB1000R

Triumph Speed Triple Honda Cb1000R
Overall (stars) 5 4
so Triumph seemingly is a better bike??

but MCN's individual criteria for different attributes suggests .......

Engine 4 4
Ride and handling 4 4
Equipment 3 4
Quality and reliability 4 5
Value 4 4
so calculating the
Average 3.8 4.2

seems to suggest only one winner/best bike

So how do MCN calculate their overall rating??
I dont know but from my perhaps simplistic opinion one major factor is that the speed triple looks like it was manufactured a long time ago whilst the cb is as modern as it gets.
If you take the MCN ratings at face value then the honda has better equipment and quality/reliability. How then does the speed triple out score the cb?
I cannot see the logic
If there is some justification why is the factor that sets the Triumph above the Honda not specified?

Anyway having just purchased a cb1000r I guess I have put my money where my logic tells me I should
 

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If there is some justification why is the factor that sets the Triumph above the Honda not specified?
Yes, it's a Triumph - which means it's made in the UK. MCN is a UK magazine. It's the same phenomenon that causes BMWs to score very highly in many Motorrad magazine tests.
 

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If you like it and it meets your needs (and stuff what everyone else thinks) buy it.
If you dont like it then dont buy it.

Easy.
 

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If you like it and it meets your needs (and stuff what everyone else thinks) buy it.
If you dont like it then dont buy it.

Ditto that mate, Bottom line is that a bike that gets 7/10 on a test as opposed to say 9/10, means bugger all most of the time in the real world, unless your using the track all the time then most of these comparisons seem to be all about performance, but to a greater degree most litre bikes are bloody fast anyway.

If the 7/10 bike suits your needs better than the 9/10 one, then it is obviuos which one you should go for, biggest problem people have is that they are just not honest to themselves about their riding abilities and get caught up in the "who's got the biggest ollocks sitting at the lights.. :notme
 

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Its all Bollo--s, if we all liked the same things in life it would be boring. Blonde, Brunette, Blue eyes, Green eyes, Brown eyes. Fat, thin, long legged, short legged. All these bikes in these sort of magazines are tested by proffesional riders and mostly tested on tracks. The average guy or girl could never ride their bikes to full potential. Its all a matter of personal taste. If you like a certain bike and it floats your boat then go and bloody buy it !!!!!!!!! :thumbup

I like my Repsol and I dont care if nobody else likes it. :twofin
 
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