[Balle]

Hi there,

does anybody have more information on the missing specs for the CB1000R?
As you might know, Honda still didn't officially announce the power & torque specs of the CB1000R

When searching on the web you sometimes find 128hp & 97Nm torque figures.
- Does anybody know where these figures came from?
- What is the overall idea on this figures, will they be final or do people expect changes still in the official announcement to come?
- Does anybody have an idea why Honda is waiting so long to give these specs?

Greetings,

Balle
(my CB1000R arrives in week 32)

 

[andreanegri]

From Honda Italia official site:
....
MOTORE
Tipo 4 cilindri in linea, 4 tempi, 16 valvole, raffreddato a
liquido (DOHC)
Cilindrata 998 cm3
Alesaggio x Corsa 75 × 56,5 mm
Rapporto di compressione 11,2 : 1
Potenza massima n/d (Power)
Coppia massima n/d (Torque)
Regime del minimo 1.200 min-1
Capacità totale olio 3,6 litri
...
:cool :cool :cool

 

[Antnee]

When the bike was first shown at the Milan Show, I scoured various Honda sites looking for information. At the time, Honda.it was showing this:

• Potenza massima 94 kW a 10.000 min-1 (95/1/EC)[/*:m]
• Coppia massima 97,5 Nm a 8.000 min-1 (95/1/EC)[/*:m]

That 94kW translates to 126.00536193029491HP.

We have no idea how reliable that information is, or whether it just refers to an Italian spec, but I gather from andreanegri's post that the information is no longer there. So was it false or did someone post it and then it get removed afterwards?

 

[Balle]

Are we talking about rear wheel horsepower or hp at the engine?

Greetz,

Balle

 

[Antnee]

I don't know Balle. Normally a manufacturer quotes the power at the crank, but this seems a bit low to me if that's the case. That said, most manufacturers quote dry weights too but Honda are taking to disclosing fully wet weights now so it could be something like the rear-wheel power. We just don't know whether these figures are even accurate at this point, never mind where the power is measured.

I'd expect full details after the press launch of the bike.

 

[JJON]

Given that the bike apparently hasn't gone into production yet is it safe to assume that the final specs are still unknown to Honda themselves? I should imagine they're pretty keen to tweak the bike until it reaches a level that will look good on paper as well as to ride, they've built up huge expectation and can't afford for it to be anything less than it's rivals.

Seem to remember reading that the first batch would be hand-built, in which case the first batch will consist of about 3 bikes the way this is going

One thing that bothers me is I don't like the idea of a bike being built to a time deadline, Honda may have been a bit premature in announcing the CB1000R for 2008, it was after all originally penned for 2009.

 

[andreanegri]

JJON, 2008 release is too LATE!
Old H900 owners like me is waiting for Hornet1000/CB1000R by2006...
:zzz :zzz :zzz

 

[Antnee]

I think the speed that these manufacturers can get them out the door when they're on the production line means that there will be plenty available when Honda want them to be, but yeah, I believe that they're finalising them still too. What concerns me about the hand-built ones is something that a guy at work said: Mass produced bikes are almost all identical as machines have set everything up for you, whereas hand built bikes are more prone to human error which could result in some being significantly poorer than others. Lets wait and see eh?

 

[Hornet]

I rekon they are waiting to make enough interest of off my 100 pound deposit I put down on the bike in November to pay for the manufacturing.

Or they are struggling to mix that colour of green paint again as it must have been an accident.

get your finger out Honda im bored waiting :shake :shake

 

[billcbr6]

Anybody heard any weight for it yet?

 

[andreanegri]

In my opinion near 200 kg (195-205)
ray ray ray

 

[Antnee]

Not heard anything personally. Are you wanting dry or wet weights?

 

[DAN]

I reckon 195kg dry and about 130hp quoted but with loads of torque (In my opinion it will be the amount of torque, handling and brakes that will make the most difference when compared with the 900 Hornet or current competitors).

 

[JJON]

I'd be a bit pissed off if the weight was that much, FFS the '92-99 Blade weighed 180kg, the '04-05 weighed 176kg, surely the CB1000R, not a parts bin special and considering the expected cost and lack of plastics, should be closer to these weights?

 

[Antnee]

Yeah, I think getting on for 200kg dry is too much. The 07 CBR600RR weighs only a touch over 150kg dry, I can't see this bike being 40kg+ heavier than that. I hope we'll be getting closer to 130 at the rear wheel too, not at the crank. The R6 has more than that at the crank. I'll be well pissed off if I don't have more horsepower for my extra 400cc over my mates R6!

 

[DAN]

Whoa... there - reality check guys....

For a start the CB1000R is not a sports bike... it is a street bike.... it is not intended to compete with the Blades, R1's and CBR600RR's of this world.... you need to look at other bikes in this sector included my much loved :lol FZ1

Check out these SPECS

The dry weight is quoted as 194kg (the standard exhaust must weigh 5kg's at least!) but is over 200kg for the ABS version (ABS always adds weight because of the extra electronics and brakelines). Now to me the FZ1 doesn't feel heavy... not at least compared to my last bike (a 218KG VFR ABS) but it will feel heavy for you 600 Hornet who want to now grow up :finger and join the big boys :taunt2

You'll notice in teh FZ1 specs the power is quoted as 150... but in reality and based on dyno runs, it is more like 134hp... I think Honda will state the CB1000R around 130hp but in reality will be nearer to 120hp... that is quite respectable still and considerably more than the 600 or 900 Hornet.... I could of course be completely wrong... but I just think the CB1000R will slot in roughly about here. If the bike is light and has good handling it will feel flickable and more fun... that coupled with a torquey engine (which I think it will be) will make for an excellent all round street bike.

 

[Antnee]

Well only time will tell eh? I'm still holding out for more than 130 at the crank, but we'll see. Whatever happens it will be more powerful than my 600

 

[DAN]

Well only time will tell eh? I'm still holding out for more than 130 at the crank, but we'll see. Whatever happens it will be more powerful than my 600

And come in a more tasteful colour :lol

 

[Antnee]

Rubbish!

 

[JJON]

Whoa... there - reality check guys....

For a start the CB1000R is not a sports bike... it is a street bike.... it is not intended to compete with the Blades, R1's and CBR600RR's of this world.... you need to look at other bikes in this sector included my much loved FZ1

Why be restricted by other naked bikes? If Honda are using these as a benchmark then the result will be a bike that is (maybe) better than other naked bikes, not a bike that sets new standards. It has a new rear wheel, no reason for this not to be lightweight, the same engine as the 07 Blade, aluminium frame, "Lightweight and rigid single-sided cast aluminium Pro-Arm swingarm", "Lightweight 310mm floating front disc brakes", and no plastics. The only part of the bike that should increase weight is the exhaust.

I can't see any reason why it shouldn't be within at least 8kg of the Blade (though I'm probably overlooking something :eek ).