[DAN]

Spoiler

 

[Antnee]

The new Speed Triple? Nah, I'd rather keep hold of my Hornet; at least Honda can do orange right :thumbup :lol

 

[DAN]

I like them... with the exception of the ass-end.

With the cash you save on a CB1000R you could of course buy a FZ1 or Z1000 on 0% finance and still have money to spend on a custom paint job.

 

[Antnee]

Ha ha ha, I don't think so! I like them, sure, but it would have to have the Arrow exhaust system and that nice cover over the clocks. The wheels on the new one do nothing for me at all, much prefer the old ones wheels. Shame as that's one of the few differences between this one and the old one!

 

[Bullitt]

The new Speed Triple? Nah, I'd rather keep hold of my Hornet; at least Honda can do orange right :thumbup :lol

and Kawasaki does green better but IMO Triumph do motorcycles well!

 

[Antnee]

So, you're saying that I should dump the Hornet and buy a Triumph instead of waiting for the CB1000R? :lol

 

[DAN]

And anyway that's a Street Triple so is lacking about 300cc's, nice bike though.

Of all the 1 litre naked's I know in the £7K price range, I think:-

If you want a near sportbike experience - FZ1
If you want cutting edge styling - CB1000R
If you want bling - Z1000
If you are on a budget - SV1000
If you have the cash (considering purchase and running costs) - Speed Triple or Tuono

For me the FZ1 remains the best of the bunch (that's why I own one)... but I am swayed by the CB's styling, if the performance is reasonable then it will be number one for me.

 

[Antnee]

If you want cutting edge styling - CB1000R

Too early to be categorising the CB I think Dan! Could well pee all over the FZ1 for all we know. Besides, I remember when the CBF1000 came out and it beat the FZ1 in nearly every test I read, despite the CBF being a commuters bike. All those reviews that gave the CBF the edge said something along the lines of "more horsepower does not a better motorcycle make".

I'll still hold out for the CB before I make any decisions. I just hope it's at least a bit good else we'll be running a site dedicated to a bike we couldn't care less about :lol

 

[DAN]

Categorising based on information I have.... there will be thousands across Europe doing much the same.... especially with the incentives offered by the other manufacturers.

CBF1000 came out and it beat the FZ1 in nearly every test I read

I'd like to read some of those tests...especially as the bikes are completely different - just because they have the same number of cc's don't make them comparable.

The CBF1000 is one of the ugliest bikes that Honda have produced in recent years... no doubt great as a long distance commuter but it is hardly going to get your pulse racing.... Ant get yourself a demo on a naked FZ1 (even though you may have no intention of buying)... when you hit 7K and beyond you will be holding on for life.

Don't get me wrong I want the CB1000R to be brilliant in every way and a comprise in power to gain torque is no bad thing.

:thumbup

 

[Buzzwagon]

I remember when the CBF1000 came out and it beat the FZ1 in nearly every test I read, despite the CBF being a commuters bike. All those reviews that gave the CBF the edge said something along the lines of "more horsepower does not a better motorcycle make".

I'll still hold out for the CB before I make any decisions. I just hope it's at least a bit good else we'll be running a site dedicated to a bike we couldn't care less about :lol

What tests were those and were they carried out on the original incarnation of the new FZ1 with the fucked fuelling? With all due respect you can't compare the two bikes, the Honda is a boring, underpowered commuter, a 1000cc Dullsville if you will, of course it's easy to ride, it doesn't have any power! Oh yeah, and as Dan said, it is pig ugly!!
The FZ1 is a monster of a bike that will piss all over the Honda in every department except touring. Of course the press rightly tore the FZ1 apart when it first came out because of the fuelling issue but that's been sorted and what's left is a lean mean hooligan machine. The new bike from Honda had better be a great bike otherwise it'll be dead in the water. The FZ1 is fast, handles and looks like it'll beat the shit out of you for wearing the wrong leathers, the Kwak is no mug and the Tuono is a complete hooligan tool and a twin so doesn't have that much competition in its price range, (I don't believe that Suzuki don't make the SV1000 anymore due to Euro emissions regs). It's a tough market and lets just hope the big H has realised that this time around.

And I'm a Honda man, last 2 bikes were Blades current bike is a Blackbird, I've also had a VFR, a Firestorm and a Hornet!!!

Jerry

 

[Antnee]

I don't know which FZ1 it was but I believe the CBF was a 2006 model? I agree, it's an ugly bike, but the obvious answer to "which tests were these" is MCN for definite. I read a lot of stuff but MCN is the one I read regularly and they said, specifically, that more hp doesn't make the FZ1 a better bike. There were some other journos at MCN who laughed at it (they admitted as much in later articles) but loved the CBF when they rode it, despite its obvious flaws. On it's plus side, it's one of only two models Honda have offered recently in Bombay Metallic Orange, and I have the other one :thumbup

And Dan, no way will I test ride the FZ1, cos I don't want to like it :lol

 

[DAN]

What I find interesting about the FZ1 fuel glitch issue is that many 06 FZ1 owners love their bikes despite having to spend around £400 on a Power Commander and Fuel Cutoff Eliminator (FCE)... and perhaps more cash for a decent can etc.... most riders do those mods anyway... it's just that FCE (£150) that is an extra and designed to sort the fuelling.

I have seen dyno's of FZ1 that are knocking out 140-150hp.... that is a lot of power! OK it's a revvy monster bike rather than a lazy torque beast and I think most people would want somewhere in-between the two really.

Ant, you should try one... not because I think you will like it better but if you are serious about a CB1000R then you should really get a feel for a litre bike to give you something to compare against..... £7K+ is a lot of money and you need to make the right choice.

The biggest selling point for the FZ1 at the moment is that 0% finance deal.

 

[DAN]

I quite like the Bombay Orange.. it's different.... not sure if it will stand the test of time.... trends and such like... when the SV1000 came out in a orange/brown I quite liked that as well.

A spray job isn't the end of the world though.... a few hundred quid and you are sorted... in fact Buzzwagon had his Hornet sprayed yellow... even had the lid to match

I'm not trying to hard sell the FZ1 or Z1000 but lets say the ABS CB1000R is £7800 otr (assuming you don't get a discount)...add to that the interest you'd loose by paying up front. A FZ1 with ABS is £7200 minus the interest you save by going 0% then add to that the cost of a respray... lets say £500 and you'd still be quids in and have a very unique bike. I reckon you'd get a much better trade in on your 600 Hornet against a FZ1 (rather than CB1000R).

Lets just hope Honda do the same sums and don't overprice the CB1000R.... no one will touch it if they do.